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if we can figure this out, you know that john boehner and nancy pelosi and the wimps in the chambers are trying to figure it out. the right combination of the income threshold for tax increases with entitlement cuts, we haven't found it. the theory that republicans only want to pass something with the majority, that worked for haster when he was speaker. it's hard to see what kind of tax increase will get a majority of republicans and bring along enough democrats. boehner couldn't pass a million dollar tax increase. why do we think he can get something out of the house if they lower it to 400,000 or 500,000. we are skeptical that they can come together with the solution in the next five or six days. >> marty, we spent a lot of time talking about the house. what is mitch mcconnell thinking in the senate? >> he is a fascinating part of this. first of all, he is probably going to vote against any deal that raises taxes. whether he actively whips against it or lets it go, there is a number of senate republicans who seem open to upper income tax increases. some of the new england moderate
if we can figure this out, you know that john boehner and nancy pelosi and the wimps in the chambers are trying to figure it out. the right combination of the income threshold for tax increases with entitlement cuts, we haven't found it. the theory that republicans only want to pass something with the majority, that worked for haster when he was speaker. it's hard to see what kind of tax increase will get a majority of republicans and bring along enough democrats. boehner couldn't pass a...
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by the way, i would give some advice to speaker boehner, he needs to talk to nancy pelosi. when nancy pelosi was speaker, she found a way even with maximum republican opposition to bring her diverse caucus. that is a caucus with diverse views together to get things done like the affordable care act. like dodd frank. she got it done. >> that's great advice, and we hope he listens. >> i hope so. >> thank you so much, my friend. >> my pleasure. >>> let's turn to ryan grim. mr. grim, the jobless are really the only segment of the population who get an immediate hit if we go over the fiscal cliff. doesn't this strike even what appears to be heartless politicians that the people most vulnerable are working class and working poor and middle class people who will get stiffed by this? >> yeah, the jobless have been getting pushed around by congress for years now, you know, ever since the economic crisis. and they implemented some extended emergency benefits they've been getting told that if they give them unemployment it will make them lazy and they will not look for jobs. states ha
by the way, i would give some advice to speaker boehner, he needs to talk to nancy pelosi. when nancy pelosi was speaker, she found a way even with maximum republican opposition to bring her diverse caucus. that is a caucus with diverse views together to get things done like the affordable care act. like dodd frank. she got it done. >> that's great advice, and we hope he listens. >> i hope so. >> thank you so much, my friend. >> my pleasure. >>> let's turn to...
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support it. >> nancy pelosi has signed off on it. it's up to john boehner to deliver his votes and can he do it without amending it, we do not know at this time. >> all right, luke. thank you very much. >> take care. >> we'll see you soon, i'm sure. >> indeed. >>> well, there's already been grumbling about this senate legislation from both sides of the aisle, but texas republican senator kay bailey hutchison says that is the essence of compromise. >> i don't love it, but i think it is a very good job of negotiating where there are some wins and some losses, and it's about even. >> with me now, the agreeos political editor parry bacon and lynn sweet, washington bureau chief for "the chicago sun ti s times." lynn, we kept rerunning this video of you yesterday with speaker boehner walking along with your little pad. i don't know when that was from, but i saw you like 500 times yesterday. >> that was from the day before yesterday, prenew year, right there coming out of the caucus. anyway, happy new year, chris. >> happy new year! so, wha
support it. >> nancy pelosi has signed off on it. it's up to john boehner to deliver his votes and can he do it without amending it, we do not know at this time. >> all right, luke. thank you very much. >> take care. >> we'll see you soon, i'm sure. >> indeed. >>> well, there's already been grumbling about this senate legislation from both sides of the aisle, but texas republican senator kay bailey hutchison says that is the essence of compromise. >>...
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and specifically would any speaker, whether it's john boehner, nancy pelosi or anybody else, allow a bill to pass like this, especially one that violates four republican party doctrine that would raise taxes, would they allow it to -- and the answer to that is probably not. democrats have alleged for week now what john bain ser doing is waiting until the gavel is safely in his hands for the next congress. that happens on january 3rd, when they formally elect a speaker. that's one theory, but probably the thing that make the most sense is the fact that then it becomes a vote to cut taxes for 98% of americans, instead of allowing them to rise for 1% or 2%. that is something logically the republicans would probably or more likely go along with, though at this point who knows where we'll end up with on this thing. january 3rd is the new congress. in the days after that, that's the inertia it scenario. >> gentlemen, thanks so that. i appreciate it. >>> we want to bring in today's panel s perry bacon, democratic strategy margie omero, and chip saltzmann. i want to talk about with what stev
and specifically would any speaker, whether it's john boehner, nancy pelosi or anybody else, allow a bill to pass like this, especially one that violates four republican party doctrine that would raise taxes, would they allow it to -- and the answer to that is probably not. democrats have alleged for week now what john bain ser doing is waiting until the gavel is safely in his hands for the next congress. that happens on january 3rd, when they formally elect a speaker. that's one theory, but...
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you can't do it because you have all the democrats and nancy pelosi can whip her caucus, she maas lie one or two, and then you need about 30 republicans, but boehner -- >> arguing the senate bill is more partisbipartisan. >> it means only 2% of people would pay the 39% tax rate on everything above 250, right? but you reason he won't even try to pass that bill, is because he doesn't want the optics with the bill being passed with mostly democrats. bainers wants it a majority of the majorities, that that will be mostly republicans passing it. that's impossible, because republicans, you can't even get 10 or 20 of them to agree on anything they think is a tax hike. so you have a stalemate of boehner's over design. >>> ryan, to you, please responds to what joann said. a year ago, did you think -- yeah, we knew this was going to happen, did you think it would be this situation just days before the new years? if so are we going to have another fiscal cliff or a bunch that come to fruition here where we never see really a solution? >> well, it was very clear from the time that the super commi
you can't do it because you have all the democrats and nancy pelosi can whip her caucus, she maas lie one or two, and then you need about 30 republicans, but boehner -- >> arguing the senate bill is more partisbipartisan. >> it means only 2% of people would pay the 39% tax rate on everything above 250, right? but you reason he won't even try to pass that bill, is because he doesn't want the optics with the bill being passed with mostly democrats. bainers wants it a majority of the...
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. >> he's not negotiating with nancy pelosi. he's negotiating with the president of the united states trying to work this deal out and certainly it's become a discussion with nancy pelosi and it's not, it's a discussion with the president of the united states in term of trying to work this through and where does he have to turn? he has to turn back to the principles in this negotiation and that's what he's done. >> but i believe he could have passed his plan b if he hadn't gone with the $20 million cutoff and he'd moved toward the center and that had been under discussion with a $400,000 cut off or a $500,000 cut off for the tax cuts to go into effect and the tax increases above that figure to go into effect and he didn't try to go into the center and he locked himself into an impossible situation where he couldn't get 218 votes in his own caucus and that was a failure of leadership. >> martin frost, david winston, ten seconds. you have ten seconds to respond. >> i'm sorry, but you're asking him to take the democratic position w
. >> he's not negotiating with nancy pelosi. he's negotiating with the president of the united states trying to work this deal out and certainly it's become a discussion with nancy pelosi and it's not, it's a discussion with the president of the united states in term of trying to work this through and where does he have to turn? he has to turn back to the principles in this negotiation and that's what he's done. >> but i believe he could have passed his plan b if he hadn't gone with...
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and, look, he even pals around with nancy pelosi. didn't we just fire her? >> didn't you see those loving looks? >> you know, real quick on that. the interesting thing, if i were to pivot off of that caption of him and nancy together because that's what the people are looking for. that partnership working, getting things done. >> but they were talking about global warming. >> the other thing about that ad, that was symbolic of the entire mitt romney campaign strategy in the primaries. which was a take-no-prisoners attack policy. it just showed that mitt romney had tons of money and some very clever consultants who could carve up anybody in his path. that left him with a lot of making up to do once he secured the nomination. the way he got the nomination is typified by that ad showed weakness in this camp. >> let's go back to the strategy, which it was. somebody is going to be the republican nominee and that person is going to be obama. therefore, all you have to be is there. >> and as he just noted and as neil sodacca made famous, making up is hard to do. th
and, look, he even pals around with nancy pelosi. didn't we just fire her? >> didn't you see those loving looks? >> you know, real quick on that. the interesting thing, if i were to pivot off of that caption of him and nancy together because that's what the people are looking for. that partnership working, getting things done. >> but they were talking about global warming. >> the other thing about that ad, that was symbolic of the entire mitt romney campaign strategy in...
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i spoke with one republican aide that said nancy pelosi would have to add a lot of votes. a bill could come over from the senate and if there is a problem amongst house republicans or enough of them object, john boehner could amend it and send it back to the senate. from the house. that would put it in delay. >> they have all day tomorrow to work it out. one last thing i've been told that some could make the sale to members at 12:01 a.m. that any deal that comes over from the senate would be voting -- not voting for a tax hike, would be voting to cut taxes because then we're over the cliff and everything would expire. so interesting optics. i think it should be really known by folks watching tonight just because something is going to come out of the senate late tonight, early tomorrow morning, there's no guarantee it has a clear way forward. it's without some sort of drama at the very end. >> we thank them for their updates, as well, at 7:10 here on the east coast. the drama continues. we should also make one more quick note about what's going on with hillary clinton becau
i spoke with one republican aide that said nancy pelosi would have to add a lot of votes. a bill could come over from the senate and if there is a problem amongst house republicans or enough of them object, john boehner could amend it and send it back to the senate. from the house. that would put it in delay. >> they have all day tomorrow to work it out. one last thing i've been told that some could make the sale to members at 12:01 a.m. that any deal that comes over from the senate would...
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we have nancy pelosi, looks like her chief of staff with her. seems that may be a sign that the meeting has broken up. we also heard some reports that perhaps speaker boehner may have left the meeting. i want to do a quick question to both of you as we're sort of watching these folks depart. on the fiscal cliff, i'm going to just make it real simple and start with you dana and go to you, jonathan. deal or no deal? are we going to get a deal, dana? >> well, they're going to have to eventually. the question is -- >> maybe not. not with these guys. you never know. >> any prediction is perilous here. but it's always struck me, if it is going to be, it's going to be at the very last second or after we go over the cliff. >> jonathan, are we going to come out on the drive way and sing kumbaya? >> i doubt it given the video you just showed. that's not minority leader pelosi heading to the microphones in the driveway. it looks like she's on west executive drive trying to get the hell out of dodge. >> looking for her car. that's right. >> which could be a
we have nancy pelosi, looks like her chief of staff with her. seems that may be a sign that the meeting has broken up. we also heard some reports that perhaps speaker boehner may have left the meeting. i want to do a quick question to both of you as we're sort of watching these folks depart. on the fiscal cliff, i'm going to just make it real simple and start with you dana and go to you, jonathan. deal or no deal? are we going to get a deal, dana? >> well, they're going to have to...
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earlier that year, harry reid and nancy pelosi gave george bush a stimulus. what happened was two things, al. first of all, barack obama got reelected. and for a variety of reasons, the republicans never game barack obama the kind of cooperation we gave george bush. of course you should disagree. but then in the end, you try to work things out. when george bush came to harry reid, we worked with him to go and to come to an agreement. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, said my number one agenda item is to defeat barack obama. and then in 2010, people were elected who don't believe in govern nans. who don't understand reality. it's not like we've had it forever. we didn't have it before the partisanship and there was some people so offended by the notion that barack obama could win for a variety of reasons, that they decided to delegitize it. i think you're going to see a gradual relinquishment of this kind of obstructionist death grip they have on the party. >> plet me ask you, you're leaving washington after serving so long and so well. what will you mis
earlier that year, harry reid and nancy pelosi gave george bush a stimulus. what happened was two things, al. first of all, barack obama got reelected. and for a variety of reasons, the republicans never game barack obama the kind of cooperation we gave george bush. of course you should disagree. but then in the end, you try to work things out. when george bush came to harry reid, we worked with him to go and to come to an agreement. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, said my number one...
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we tried your way and it did not work, look, nancy pelosi, how do we get something through the house? >> talk about the reid/mcconnell special relationship. they were the two that cobbled together deals. 2011 is a great example. will they have a three-peat here? >> again i'm not bullish on this. i think robert might be a little more than i am. i think it would require a lot of courage on mcconned to put something through that democrats like and to impress upon john boehner to get this to the floor of the house i think could put -- on the bright side it could put him in a heroic position. >> very quickly. >> mcconnell is in a tricky position. >> he is looking a the 2014. thank you both so much. >> thank you. >>> >>> today's tweet of the day is about the milk cliff. glen johnson tweets amid talk of milk going up to $7 a dplon, with no deal, we'll all just start drinking gas then. [ male announcer ] with over 50 delicious choices of green giant vegetables it's easy to eat like a giant... ♪ and feel like a green giant. ♪ ho ho ho ♪ green giant >>> the uncertainty caps off a huge yea
we tried your way and it did not work, look, nancy pelosi, how do we get something through the house? >> talk about the reid/mcconnell special relationship. they were the two that cobbled together deals. 2011 is a great example. will they have a three-peat here? >> again i'm not bullish on this. i think robert might be a little more than i am. i think it would require a lot of courage on mcconned to put something through that democrats like and to impress upon john boehner to get...
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he has reached out to majority leader reid, and nancy pelosi, to sign off. they gave it. so the white house right now feeling quite confident about this agreement that has been reached. of course, we're talking about the opposition that has been emerging from the left, including labor leaders, he says it is not good enough, why? because the tax rates are not the ones that president obama campaigned on. remember the president campaigned saying that he wanted to see taxes going up on those making $250,000 or more. this of course raises taxes on people making $400,000 or more, if you're single, $450,000 for a couple. so folks on the left saying this is not good enough. but the white house, mitch mcconnell, vice president joe biden believes it is a good deal because it represents compromise on all sides. i also spoke to one of my democratic sources who said look, if you look at the way the sequester has worked out, yes, it has only staved off for two months. however, they are off setting the cuts both through revenue as well as spending cuts. the reason democrats believe it i
he has reached out to majority leader reid, and nancy pelosi, to sign off. they gave it. so the white house right now feeling quite confident about this agreement that has been reached. of course, we're talking about the opposition that has been emerging from the left, including labor leaders, he says it is not good enough, why? because the tax rates are not the ones that president obama campaigned on. remember the president campaigned saying that he wanted to see taxes going up on those making...
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and again, president obama tonight calling harry reid, nancy pelosi to make sure that they both signed off on this deal, which they have. so now we have the vice president who is just arriving at the hill. he is going to sit down with the democratic caucus, sell this deal to the caucus, answer their questions, answer their concerns. but, again, the broad outlines of the deal have been agreed upon by all the major players who are involved in this. of course, vice president biden has been playing a critical role in these negotiations, really the entire time. but especially since saturday when leader mcconnell reached out to him and asked him to get more engaged, which he did. and that is really when we saw this ball move forward. and now it appears inching closer by the hour to the end game. so, again, president obama reaching out to key leaders on the hill, making sure that they agree with this deal. and it appears at this hour that they do. and vice president biden now going to sell to it the caucus. milissa? >> all right, kristen welker, stand by for us, if you please. let's go to nbc
and again, president obama tonight calling harry reid, nancy pelosi to make sure that they both signed off on this deal, which they have. so now we have the vice president who is just arriving at the hill. he is going to sit down with the democratic caucus, sell this deal to the caucus, answer their questions, answer their concerns. but, again, the broad outlines of the deal have been agreed upon by all the major players who are involved in this. of course, vice president biden has been playing...
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pelosi can corral the democrats, they need to pick off republicans. we don't know if any of them would vote for something like this. john boehner is ready to strike a deal. i'm not sure many others are. in the senate we have seen a number of conservative republicans saying they would vote. >> 20 republican votes? >> at this point it's very hard to say. i think john boehner would probably be trying to go in that direction if he could. we haven't seen enough house republicans come out yet and say they would support tax increases. if you have tom coal who broke with his party leadership and the party ranks about three weeks ago or so. we haven't seen enough say they would. i don't know that that's the right deal for that to try to strike. >> one of the strategies that republicans could very well allow us to go off the fiscal cliff. a few weeks into january they decide to take the vote on lowering taxes. lowering the race so they can say you know what, we voted to lower taxes. >> that's something that has been talked about. a lot of people were concerned
pelosi can corral the democrats, they need to pick off republicans. we don't know if any of them would vote for something like this. john boehner is ready to strike a deal. i'm not sure many others are. in the senate we have seen a number of conservative republicans saying they would vote. >> 20 republican votes? >> at this point it's very hard to say. i think john boehner would probably be trying to go in that direction if he could. we haven't seen enough house republicans come out...
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. >> nancy pelosi tried to do that and the signature is not there. chuck hegel was a colleague of yours. are you surprised about the criticism he received from the left and the right being the possible nominee for president obama in the obama administration in the second term? >> hegel used on foreign policy, but he hasn't received a lot of criticism. how much of that is justified? i can't tell you. >> senator from vermont, we thank you for joining us the day after christmas. >> joining us to talk big picture and the president's second term cabinet, nbc editor mark murray was the december employee of the month. congratulations. >> excuse me. you heard from senator sanders saying the lack of urgency hasn't been a problem, but if you look at it for all intents and purposes, boehner removed himself from these discussions. harry reid, president obama, and a little bit of mitch mcconnell. what is possible of making a deal? >> the ball seems to be in mitch mcconnell's court. does he filibuster anything that harry reid ends up making with president obama? w
. >> nancy pelosi tried to do that and the signature is not there. chuck hegel was a colleague of yours. are you surprised about the criticism he received from the left and the right being the possible nominee for president obama in the obama administration in the second term? >> hegel used on foreign policy, but he hasn't received a lot of criticism. how much of that is justified? i can't tell you. >> senator from vermont, we thank you for joining us the day after christmas....
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the minority puts up their chosen leader, this time nancy pelosi. it's usually pro forma, but this time it has a real weight to it, because one of the reasons we're in this situation right now is because we're waiting for john boehner to be reelected to speaker of the house before they make a move, because only if 16 or 17 republicans don't vote for the guy, he could lose. they just want to wait. >> that's, i think, a point we've all been missing here is that after plan b's gone down, there seems to be some thinking, especially in boehner land, that we don't want our fingerprints on anything that could lead to some sort of conservative ensue su sure. >> it would be very embarra embarrassing. republicans voting for someone else or abstaining, they would have to probably shut the whole house down, have a whole meeting, drum up the votes. it would be very embarrassing and i think you're also seeing it on the senate side, mitch mcconnell is thinking, senate minority leader, if john boehner doesn't want his fingerprints on something, why do i want my fin
the minority puts up their chosen leader, this time nancy pelosi. it's usually pro forma, but this time it has a real weight to it, because one of the reasons we're in this situation right now is because we're waiting for john boehner to be reelected to speaker of the house before they make a move, because only if 16 or 17 republicans don't vote for the guy, he could lose. they just want to wait. >> that's, i think, a point we've all been missing here is that after plan b's gone down,...
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what we know on the house side, both nancy pelosi, in charge of the democrats in the house and house speaker john boehner have been kept in the loop throughout. important because once the senate deals with this, it would go to the house. now, what we do expect in talking to a number of democrats tonight, some have put on coats and scarves and were going to lay down for a little while, waiting for the word to come back. others still think a vote can happen tonight. but tonight might not be defined by the final hour of 2012, but instead whatever time in the wee hours that document can get ready and get to the senate floor. so many people who work in the capitol who are not directly involved, from those who operate the trains that get from building to building to staffers on the senate floor to keep things moving to security, so many people working waiting for this to be resolved. political arguments and disappointments within the democratic side as we expect there to be among republicans as well. no deal gets everything people want. there are come radio mizes for people. and this is a
what we know on the house side, both nancy pelosi, in charge of the democrats in the house and house speaker john boehner have been kept in the loop throughout. important because once the senate deals with this, it would go to the house. now, what we do expect in talking to a number of democrats tonight, some have put on coats and scarves and were going to lay down for a little while, waiting for the word to come back. others still think a vote can happen tonight. but tonight might not be...
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and, look, he even pals around with nancy pelosi. didn't we just fire her? >> didn't you see those loving looks that they managed to work with the camera shot? >> you know, real quick on that. the interesting thing, if i were newt, i would have pif votded o pivoted off that caption of him and nancy together because that's what the people are looking for. that partnership working, getting things done. >> but they were talking about global warming. >> the other thing about that ad, that was symbolic of the entire mitt romney campaign strategy in the primaries. which was a take-no-prisoners attack the other guy's strategy. it was not about philosophy. it did nothing to show that mitt romney was a committed conservative. it just showed mitt romney had tons of money and some very clever consultants who could carve up anybody in his path. that left him with a lot of making up to do once he secured the nomination. the way he got the nomination as typified by that ad showed weakness in this camp. >> let's go back to the strategy, which it was. somebody is going to b
and, look, he even pals around with nancy pelosi. didn't we just fire her? >> didn't you see those loving looks that they managed to work with the camera shot? >> you know, real quick on that. the interesting thing, if i were newt, i would have pif votded o pivoted off that caption of him and nancy together because that's what the people are looking for. that partnership working, getting things done. >> but they were talking about global warming. >> the other thing about...
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pelosi gave and they were ridiculed in that. and we had john mccain and his ambivalence on the floor. and then we saw mitch mcconnell coming up saying, yes, mr. president, you have been bashing us for weeks, let's vote on those tax rates. mitch mcconnell said let's do that and we'll leave the sequester aside. we'll let it kick into place. we'll tackle that whenever we get back here to washington after the inauguration and the state of the union and all that fun stuff. so that's where we stand right now. that does remain the last sticking point. >> luke, jump in here. what do you have to add that mike has already told us. >> well, mike viqueira is 12, 13 years of experience on capitol hill, so there's not much more to add after that. what i will say is i don't think that we can dismiss a lot of the anger on the republican side at the president's remarks today. i have gotten a ton of e-mails from republican aides saying the president is holding the middle class tax cuts that were agreed to hostage. i think if you take a step back,
pelosi gave and they were ridiculed in that. and we had john mccain and his ambivalence on the floor. and then we saw mitch mcconnell coming up saying, yes, mr. president, you have been bashing us for weeks, let's vote on those tax rates. mitch mcconnell said let's do that and we'll leave the sequester aside. we'll let it kick into place. we'll tackle that whenever we get back here to washington after the inauguration and the state of the union and all that fun stuff. so that's where we stand...
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nancy pelosi says the bill representing gigantic progress, that's fine, but this is really on republicans right now. and people are looking at it, i'm already hearing people looking at what house republicans are doing and saying, look, you abdicated your responsibility to write a bill. you punted over to the senate, and now you're going to throw a monkey wrench into this whole thing and make us come back perhaps in a new congress with a clean legislative slate. so it is a very dangerous not only economic situation here that we're being presented with this new year's day but certainly a very dicey political situation for house republicans. you mentioned, you know, the vote count. always a nebulous question when you're talking about the house of representatives. there are 241 republicans, i believe, in the house right now in this current congress that's still in session for another day and a half and 190 democrats. you know, we can divide the numbers anyway you want. let's say they get 150 democrats or maybe less because there are plenty of people on the left who think the president caved o
nancy pelosi says the bill representing gigantic progress, that's fine, but this is really on republicans right now. and people are looking at it, i'm already hearing people looking at what house republicans are doing and saying, look, you abdicated your responsibility to write a bill. you punted over to the senate, and now you're going to throw a monkey wrench into this whole thing and make us come back perhaps in a new congress with a clean legislative slate. so it is a very dangerous not...
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pelosi said they would consider the plan, although nancy pelosi did not go as far as to endorse it. what can we expect in terms of the house as far as how we can receive this? >> i've got to tell you, the veteran congressional watcher, i am fascinated to see what the house is going to do. here's the argument republican leaders made in the senate and are likely to make in the house tomorrow. yes, this is a horrible bill for us. we're asking many of you to vote against fundamental, a very basic tenant of your political belief, your philosophy, and that is never to vote, to raise taxes in any way, shape or form although technically, we should -- >> i just want to cut you off to report the breaking news that the senate has now approved this budget deal. so, based on that new information that we have, what happens now? explain to us where this goes? >> sure, it goes to the house of representatives. this does not take effect, obviously, until both the senate and house have voted on identical pieces of legislation. so the question is will the house take up this identical piece of legislati
pelosi said they would consider the plan, although nancy pelosi did not go as far as to endorse it. what can we expect in terms of the house as far as how we can receive this? >> i've got to tell you, the veteran congressional watcher, i am fascinated to see what the house is going to do. here's the argument republican leaders made in the senate and are likely to make in the house tomorrow. yes, this is a horrible bill for us. we're asking many of you to vote against fundamental, a very...
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nancy pelosi when the white house asked her to get votes she is very good at it. she got votes for the budget control act, for health care. there should be no reason she shouldn't be able to get the votes today. with vice president biden coming to capitol hill it rests the nerves of any anxious democrats who don't like the deal because they don't like the $400,000 threshold and would prefer 250 and also feel the president was losing some negotiating leverage. biden being here, pelosi onboard it should be okay on the house democratic side. >> you are often privy to juicy little nuggets of behind-the-scenes information. do you have any thoughts on how vice president biden became so key to all of this? >> well, i think there is a basic trust factor that mitch mcconnell has with joe biden. they served together for over 20 years. they know each other. from a lot of conversations i had especially with the older bulls i sort of call them, they say joe biden is a guy you can do business with. that the president doesn't understand how to negotiate room to room, you know, p
nancy pelosi when the white house asked her to get votes she is very good at it. she got votes for the budget control act, for health care. there should be no reason she shouldn't be able to get the votes today. with vice president biden coming to capitol hill it rests the nerves of any anxious democrats who don't like the deal because they don't like the $400,000 threshold and would prefer 250 and also feel the president was losing some negotiating leverage. biden being here, pelosi onboard it...
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and here's where nancy pelosi comes in. if you've got about 30 republicans, it could actually pass. >> good afternoon, everyone. i've been working with leaders to try to forge an agreement to grow our economy and shrink the deficit. a balanced plan that would cut spending a responsible way, but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay a little more and protect the middle class and everyone striving to get into the middle class. i still want to get this cone. it's the right thing for our families. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. we're now at the point where in just four days, every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american's paycheck will get considerably smaller. and that would be the wrong thing to do. it would be bad for middle class families and bad for businesses that depend on family spending. forchew nat ew fortunately, con can prevent it from happening. i just had a good discussion about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class. and i'm optimistic we may still be
and here's where nancy pelosi comes in. if you've got about 30 republicans, it could actually pass. >> good afternoon, everyone. i've been working with leaders to try to forge an agreement to grow our economy and shrink the deficit. a balanced plan that would cut spending a responsible way, but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay a little more and protect the middle class and everyone striving to get into the middle class. i still want to get this cone. it's the right thing for our...
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that press conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. well, we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. i just have to repeat. you know, outside of washington, nobody understands how it is that this seems to be a repeat pattern, over and over again. ordinary folks, they do their jobs. they meet deadlines. they sit down and they discuss things and things happen. if there are disagreements, they sort through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. and needs to stop. >> i
that press conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last...
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pelosi, with speaker boehner. and there's one source who's familiar with these negotiations who said mitch mcconnell is a savvy politician. he would not have signed off on this deal if he didn't think it had a very strong chance of making its way through the house. and remember also, chris, this passed with broad bipartisan support, 89 votes. so, that is going to make it easier for speaker boehner to say to his conference, look, this passed with broad bipartisan support in the senate. this is not a perfect deal, but we should pass this deal. there's also a careful political calculation going on here, chris, which is that the white house, the democrats are essentially making house republicans own this at this now way beyond the 12th hour. we're beyond the deadline at this point. and that is to say that if house republicans were to vote against it, if it weren't to make its way through the house, they would own that failure, they would be responsible for taxes going up on all americans. so, there's a lot of pressure
pelosi, with speaker boehner. and there's one source who's familiar with these negotiations who said mitch mcconnell is a savvy politician. he would not have signed off on this deal if he didn't think it had a very strong chance of making its way through the house. and remember also, chris, this passed with broad bipartisan support, 89 votes. so, that is going to make it easier for speaker boehner to say to his conference, look, this passed with broad bipartisan support in the senate. this is...
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pelosi to get moderate democrats onboard. again, we are talking about very symbolic things. i think john boehner is far more interested in preserving his speakership, waiting until we go over the cliff and everyone can blame each other all the way through. it would be better for everyone if we didn't have discussions about social insurance and/or entitlements at gunpoint with two days to >> that's the views from -- a very -- very strong conservative voice. >> that's giving the president a lot of credit here. the president wants a deal, doesn't want to go into the second term, january with the fiscal cliff looming and dealing with the cpi or, you know, raising the medicare eligibility. doesn't want the discussions to cloud up his other agenda, rest of his agenda, things like immigration. gun control if that does survive into the new year. so -- right now looking at some of the things that have been floated -- that -- that harvard from reported basically that's the president getting stimulus aspects of it. the payroll taxes is
pelosi to get moderate democrats onboard. again, we are talking about very symbolic things. i think john boehner is far more interested in preserving his speakership, waiting until we go over the cliff and everyone can blame each other all the way through. it would be better for everyone if we didn't have discussions about social insurance and/or entitlements at gunpoint with two days to >> that's the views from -- a very -- very strong conservative voice. >> that's giving the...
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that's why president obama organized the meeting with vice president biden, speaker boehner, nancy pelosi and senators reid and mcconnell. he urged them to extend jobless benefits. we can deal with cuts to defense and domestic programs later. but let's take care of the middle and working class right now. give them assurance right now. joining me is congressman chief ellison. he's co-chair of the progressive caucus and melissa harris perry, host of the melissa harris perry show here on msnbc. thank you both for coming on the show. >> thank you, al. >> congressman, let me go to you first, this deal comes down to taxing the rich. how can they not realize this is what the country wants? >> i don't think that the republican leadership cares what the country wants. i think they care about what their biggest donors want and their big donors want to reorganize america so that -- because they believe that the rich don't have enough money and the poor have too much. so what we're hearing here is an expression of an et you logical idea that we need american society to be cost competitive with places
that's why president obama organized the meeting with vice president biden, speaker boehner, nancy pelosi and senators reid and mcconnell. he urged them to extend jobless benefits. we can deal with cuts to defense and domestic programs later. but let's take care of the middle and working class right now. give them assurance right now. joining me is congressman chief ellison. he's co-chair of the progressive caucus and melissa harris perry, host of the melissa harris perry show here on msnbc....
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one is nancy pelosi because compared to john boehner i would say she looks like the greatest speaker of the house of all time. not un, surprisingly, mitt romney, because even though i'm sure he would rather be president, at least he doesn't deal with the mess himself. next on my list, rich people. we don't know what the deal looks like but you can bet they're on top in some way. they always do. and finally, toure, speak for yourself. i feel like a winner because as much as it is lame at work today, i would rather be here than in congress where i was trying to be so there you go. >> that's one way of spinning it. >> it's a -- i'm going to just kind of duck the question here. i don't want to get in to the winners and losers thing but a comment because i'm trying to piece it together over the last few days and months and i'm honestly and we'll see the final count tour contours of this an first reaction is what was the last year and a half all about? it looked like a pivot point in the presidency at the end of the deet ceiling showdown and the instinct in the wake of the 2010 mid terms i
one is nancy pelosi because compared to john boehner i would say she looks like the greatest speaker of the house of all time. not un, surprisingly, mitt romney, because even though i'm sure he would rather be president, at least he doesn't deal with the mess himself. next on my list, rich people. we don't know what the deal looks like but you can bet they're on top in some way. they always do. and finally, toure, speak for yourself. i feel like a winner because as much as it is lame at work...
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nancy pelosi bringing war funding bills to the house floor during the bush administration. not because she loved the idea of continuing the wars in afghanistan and iraq but because she saw that was a priority that needed to move whether or not it was going to have a lot of democratic votes. >> amazing. you think of all those things in the senate. the farm bill had enough republican support over there. never brought up in the house. it's a tough thing to do for john boehner. john allen, thank you so much for joining us. looking forward to the book about hillary and concussion-dpat. it will be interesting. next, as a new senator gets swarn in today, the fight from john kerry is reading up. >>> topping the headlines on andrea mitchell reports, former president george h.w. bush has been moved to the intensive care unit of a houston hospital where he's been battling a cough since november. the 88-year-old was moved to the icu recently after a foout few setbacks including a persistent fever. doctors are optimistic. >>> another member of president obama's administration is steppin
nancy pelosi bringing war funding bills to the house floor during the bush administration. not because she loved the idea of continuing the wars in afghanistan and iraq but because she saw that was a priority that needed to move whether or not it was going to have a lot of democratic votes. >> amazing. you think of all those things in the senate. the farm bill had enough republican support over there. never brought up in the house. it's a tough thing to do for john boehner. john allen,...
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wisest words of anyone in the house of representatives handing the gavel to nancy pelosi to be speaker of the house after republicans lost that 2006 election. he said, my party forgot that powers to be used for the good of the people and not for power's sake. that's what they have to remember. now, as far as that fiscal cliff, they can withhold the tax schedule changes. they're able like in defense, when you have a defense cut or a defense cut like that, it takes place over three to four years. it doesn't all happen this figs year. what we want is a bunny slope not a cliff so the damage is not great as long as we are able to take the short-term deal that david spoke about. what everyone is looking for, consumer and business investor is certainty. congress generates the political will with the president to address our problem. both in the grand scheme so we get $4 trillion in debt reduction over a year and second in the short term and don't have a gross domestic product grow at zee ro over the year. >> when you think about this entire issue, there is the gop caucus and the dysfunctional
wisest words of anyone in the house of representatives handing the gavel to nancy pelosi to be speaker of the house after republicans lost that 2006 election. he said, my party forgot that powers to be used for the good of the people and not for power's sake. that's what they have to remember. now, as far as that fiscal cliff, they can withhold the tax schedule changes. they're able like in defense, when you have a defense cut or a defense cut like that, it takes place over three to four years....
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pelosi was speaker of the house, the 110th congress had roll call votes, over 1,000 roll call votes, and with speaker boehner, only 444 roll call votes leading to 219 pieces of legislation. should the american people feel as though you all are simply not doing your jobs? >> the answer to that question is yes, i think that the american people have a right to be skeptical of the work being done in washington. part of that is the political dynamic. i don't know if i would just count the number of votes. we are not commemorating sports teams and honoring, you know, naming the weeks and the days after which ef vegetable we choose for this week, and national tomato month. but that is something that we don't do in this congress so that the number of votes is going to be a lot less, but the productivity is going to be based on doing what is right for the american people, and doing big things and doing things that are going to help the country. i think that the american people are right to look at the output from the legislative standpoint saying that this congress could be doing a lot better
pelosi was speaker of the house, the 110th congress had roll call votes, over 1,000 roll call votes, and with speaker boehner, only 444 roll call votes leading to 219 pieces of legislation. should the american people feel as though you all are simply not doing your jobs? >> the answer to that question is yes, i think that the american people have a right to be skeptical of the work being done in washington. part of that is the political dynamic. i don't know if i would just count the...
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house democratic leader nancy pelosi attempted to put pressure on tonight. she posted this on twitter saying quote, strong majority of house democrats support the bipartisan senate bill that passed 89-8. confident it will pass and speaker boehner allows an up or down vote. and republicans like congressman jack kingston of georgia blame the senate for a hastily written bill. >> it was way past those senators' bedtime. they were blurry eyed when they were reading it. we're trying to fill in the gap where they missed a few things. >> let's bring in luke russert who has been covering this story on capitol hill. what's the latest on the meeting? we do understand earlier you were standing in front of speaker boehner's office and he was having a leadership meeting. >> they're having a leadership meeting where they're trying to fik yur out the way forward here. the plans they've said is they'd perhaps like to amend the senate-passed bill some time tonight. that's what we were getting. we do not know if that is still the plan because they're having this meeting where
house democratic leader nancy pelosi attempted to put pressure on tonight. she posted this on twitter saying quote, strong majority of house democrats support the bipartisan senate bill that passed 89-8. confident it will pass and speaker boehner allows an up or down vote. and republicans like congressman jack kingston of georgia blame the senate for a hastily written bill. >> it was way past those senators' bedtime. they were blurry eyed when they were reading it. we're trying to fill in...
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>> well, the house democratic leader nancy pelosi will sign off on a final deal. >> pelosi, okay. >> you can agree that she's not around this table right now, but if the men are reporting major progress, which senate republicans say they had overnight, i think you'll take that. but to pick up on eamon's point what all this means -- >> so, none. >> -- it really pollutes the first 100 days for president obama. the flip side to what joe said earlier when he was calling in from someplace sunny when he said that none of this made major progress. what this means is there's this huge overhang into next year when president obama outlined yesterday on "meet the press" for david gregory his top five priorities for 2013. this makes it much harder, makes that much harder to do something on guns, to do something on immigration, to do real tax reform, to do infrastructure spending. now he has to deal with all the coming calamities, the new cliffs that are going to set up, even if there is some sort of a deal tonight. >> yeah, and don't forget, guys, we've also got the continuing resolution that ex
>> well, the house democratic leader nancy pelosi will sign off on a final deal. >> pelosi, okay. >> you can agree that she's not around this table right now, but if the men are reporting major progress, which senate republicans say they had overnight, i think you'll take that. but to pick up on eamon's point what all this means -- >> so, none. >> -- it really pollutes the first 100 days for president obama. the flip side to what joe said earlier when he was...
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so what you're going to see is at noon, nancy pelosi is going to talk to the house democratic caucus. there have been some rumors that joe biden could come up here on new year's day to sell the plan, very much like he did to the senate ds earlier this morning. you'll also see john boehner meeting with his conference at 1:00 p.m. i've been told by folks close to boehner that these -- it is by no means a done deal. he is keeping the door open to possibly amending the senate bill. now you think with the 9 votes they wouldn't want to do that, they'd want to put this to bed. but the house republicans have been known to scuttle these types of deals in the 11th hour before. there is some optimism on the senate side but over to the house side, if all goes to plan and they approve it all maybe we see a vote in the early evening but it could very much go into tomorrow if amended. >> you mentioned vice president biden coming back to step in again. it certainly seemed like he swoopd in at the 11th hour and helped bring this together. apparently he was very critical to these discussions. >> he's t
so what you're going to see is at noon, nancy pelosi is going to talk to the house democratic caucus. there have been some rumors that joe biden could come up here on new year's day to sell the plan, very much like he did to the senate ds earlier this morning. you'll also see john boehner meeting with his conference at 1:00 p.m. i've been told by folks close to boehner that these -- it is by no means a done deal. he is keeping the door open to possibly amending the senate bill. now you think...
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allow me a quick moment, that press conference came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reed and mitch mcconnell and all the kree congressional leaders and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again, america wonders why it is, in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything has to wait for the last minute. we are now at the last minute and the american people are not going to have any pabs for a political -- patience for a politically self-inflicted wound right now. i have to repeat, outside of washington, nobody understands how this is a repeat pattern over and over again. ordinary folks, they do their jobs. they meet deadlines. they sit down and discuss things and then things happen. if they have disagreements they sort through the disagreements. the notion that the elected leadership cannot do the same thing is mind boggling to them and needs to stop. >> i just have to repeat, congress, you a
allow me a quick moment, that press conference came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reed and mitch mcconnell and all the kree congressional leaders and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again, america wonders why it is, in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything has to wait for the...